Monday, September 27, 2010

The Case for ALLOWING ID

Concerning a Debate beween Michael Behe and Stephen Barr (Wintery Knight Blog)

Keep in mind that the dividing line in the debate on intelligent design vs. Darwinism is between open-minded scientists who think that there might be objective evidence that material cause-and-effect may not be able to account for specific kinds of complexity (specified complexity) in nature, and philosophers who believe that is never permissible to overturn the philosophical assumption of materialism, regardless of what the scientific evidence shows.

So the pro-ID side is like “let’s look at the evidence and see what naturalism can and can’t do” and the anti-ID side is “the presupposition of materialism is absolute for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door”. It’s ID scientists vs naturalist materialism pre-supposers. Reason vs faith. Inquiry vs dogmatism.

http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2010/08/14/michael-behe-and-stephen-barr-debate-intelligent-design/

The Biblical contribution to science

from a blog with a lot of atheism motivational posters.

Question:  We know this is part-parody, but does this view accord with reality, or does it represent a grave distortion of both history and the philosophy of science?

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Outline from the Soul of Science by Nancy Pearcey and Charles Thaxton  (note, some of these headings are theirs, others are my attempt to sum up thoughts contained in the opening chapter.



The Bible teaches Nature is real

God made it Good.

Nature is Good, but it is not a god.

God is rational, His creation is orderly.

Natural law flows naturally from the conviction that God is the Divine Legistator

the Creation of the world "Ex Nihilo" suggest that God alone has absolute, or final control over nature.

The World itself is not necessary, The World is contingent.

God is free

God created us as personal and rational beings.

The Creation Mandate gives man certain authority to exercise constrained dominion over nature

Science, proper used, unleashes "obedience."

We are commanded to Love God , and to do all things to his glory

We are commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves, which may take the form of improving his 
condition.


More resources.

http://www.doxa.ws/meta_crock/SN_science.html

critical of Christian claims to advance science

http://richardcarrier.blogspot.com/2006/11/science-and-medieval-christianity.html

Tuesday, September 7, 2010

What is a Necessary Being?/ Brute Fact

If we are to understand the nature of reality, we have only two possible starting points: either the brute fact of the physical world or the brute fact of a divine will and the purpose behind the physical world.    John Polkinghorne







"As the Father useth this expression I AM, so also doth Christ, for it signifieth continuous being, irrespective of all time"- John Chrysostom






"The Cosmos is all that is or was or ever will be." - Carl Sagan

Hawking V Hawking.

Just dumping some links.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704206804575467921609024244.html

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0553805371?ie=UTF8&tag=fidelitas-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=0553805371

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11161493

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/seealso/2010/09/daily_view_stephen_hawkings_un.html


http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/henry-f-schafer-assesses-stephen-hawkings-no-boundary-proposal/


http://www.leaderu.com/offices/schaefer/docs/bigbang.html

http://www.albertmohler.com/2010/09/07/no-need-for-god-stephen-hawking-defies-divine-creation/


http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2010/09/much-ado-about-ldquonothingrdquo-stephen-hawking-and-the-self-creating-universe

http://creation.com/stephen-hawking-god



Excerpt, Walter Percy, Lost in the Cosmos.

AH! Here's one passage -- fairly lengthy -- where the last point has the phrase. Percy's "Lost in the Cosmos," by the way, really does read in part like a self-help book, though it is subversive in that regard as it also is in many others. ...So below reads as a self-help question w/ multiple-choice answers... hope you enjoy it:


Question: Why does it make scientists uneasy that it appears to be the case that Homo sapiens sapiens, a conscious languaged creature, appeared suddenly and lately-- when scientists profess to be interested in what is the case, that is, the evidence?

1. Because scientists are understandably repelled by the theory of the special creation of man by God, in Biblical time, say 6004 B.C. at 11 a.m. on a Wednesday morning.

2. Because scientists find it natural to deal with matter in interaction and with energy exchanges and don't know what to make of such things as consciousness, self, symbols and even sometimes deny that there are such things, even though they, the scientists, act for all the world as if they were conscious selves and spend their lives transacting with symbols.

3. Because scientists are uneasy with discontinuities, even when there is evidence of such discontinuity in the appearance of man in all his contrarieties. Revealed religion has its dogmas, e.g., thou shalt not kill. But so does science: thou shalt not tolerate discontinuities. The question is which is the more entitled.

4. Because scientists in the practice of the scientific method, a non-radical [radical = `to the root'] knowledge of matter in interaction, often are not content with the non-radicalness of the scientific method and hence find themselves located in a posture of covert transcendence of their data, which is by the same motion assigned to the sphere of immanence. Hence, scientists operate in the very sphere of transcendence with is not provided for in science. Given such a posture, it is not merely an offense if a discontinuity turns up in the sphere of immanence, the data, but especially if the discontinuity seems to allow for the intervention of God. A god is already present. A scientist is god to his data. And if there is anything more offensive to him that the suggestion of the existence of God, it is the existence of two gods.

(CHECK ONE)

Friday, September 3, 2010

****** Intro Teleology

Site in Process, Ready for use in October 2010

Thursday, August 26, 2010

Teleotalk:


An examination of the claims -- and value-- of

the modern Intelligent Design Movement





(a mini course presented by Kirk Jordan to the assembly of Fellowship Bible Church, Conway AR.)



Session 1 – And introduction to Teleology: the power, place, and meaning of the modern

Intelligent Design Movement. (big survey of a lot of concepts, pretty important to

understanding everything else.)





Session 2- The Case for Design: What is the design inference? How do the physical foundations of the universe and biological complexity simply “reek” of design?





Session 3: The Interface of Faith and Science: In what manner does the Christian faith provide

foundation for scientific inquiry, and how should we think when the Bible and modern

science collide?





Session 4: Applied Design: (Design apologetics) Applying what we have learned to our lives.  (Including a video presentation of a recent debate between William Lane Craig and Christopher Hitchens on the existence of God.





Session 1 – And introduction to Teleology: the power, place, and meaning of the modern

Intelligent Design Movement. (big survey of a lot of concepts, pretty important to

understanding everything else.)





Intro:

Why me. (What credentials (or lack thereof) do I bring to this discussion;

Real Life Scenario. (Losing My Religion) How might you respond?

(Five Solutions)

What is Intelligent Design? What value does ID hold for us, and where does is fit?

Foundations

What is Teleology.

Outline - With Beef.

My wife and I sometimes play a game we call three sentences.  Our goal is to hone our thinking by squeezing our total thoughts about some subject or area of inquiry into three sentences.  I will attempt to use that limitation within this outline (with beef.)

Tuesday, August 24, 2010

Intelligent Design: An old idea in a new skin

None of this [debate over evolution] gives the slightest hint that we have been anywhere like this before, I mean before Darwin and the fundamentalist backlash ….Actually, much that divides the two sides in the modern United States was already a major source of debate in classical antiquity, pitting theistic and teleological Platonists and Stoics against anti-teleological Epicurean atomists.

Monday, August 23, 2010

Revelation v Science (Two Methods of knowing)






"There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is based on authority," Hawking says, "and science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works."

Read more: http://www.newser.com/story/92121/stephen-hawking-science-will-win-against-religion.html#ixzz0xRpfntET

This division is simplistic (and wrong). Authority in religion is often established (recognised) on the back of observation an and reason.  And much of science finds is force from authority.



TIME: Dr. Collins, you believe that science is compatible with Christian faith.

COLLINS: Yes. God's existence is either true or not. But calling it a scientific question implies that the tools of science can provide the answer. From my perspective, God cannot be completely contained within nature, and therefore God's existence is outside of science's ability to really weigh in.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1555132-3,00.html#ixzz0xRuqkm60






Albert Mohler on Michael Dowd (post-Christian, evolutionary evangelist)

In his own very effective way, Dowd clarifies the theological and biblical costs of embracing the evolutionary worldview. In describing himself as an evolutionary evangelist, he underlines the fervor of his cause and the inevitable collision between evolutionary theory and biblical Christianity. In sharing his sense that preaching the New Atheists as the prophets of God is his supreme calling, he points us to what is ultimately at stake.


We are engaged in a great battle for ideas that Christians understand to be a battle for hearts, minds, and souls. Dowd and his fellow evangelists for evolution are certain that they own the future, and that biblical Christianity will simply fade and disappear. “Ours is a time of space telescopes, electron microscopes, supercomputers, and the worldwide web,” he asserts. His conclusion: “This is not a time for parsing the lessons given to a few goatherds, tentmakers, and camel drivers.”

Well, give Michael Dowd credit for reminding us where the rejection of biblical Christianity inevitably leads.   http://www.albertmohler.com/2010/08/10/thank-god-for-the-new-atheists/

Notes: Teleology (Definition bank)

Teleology is the study of ends, purposes, and goals (telos means "end" or "purpose"). In cultures which have an teleological world view, the ends of things are seen as providing the meaning for all that has happened or that occurs. If you think about history as a timeline with a beginning and end, in a teleological view of the world and of history, the meaning and value of all historical events derives from their ends or purposes, that is, all events in history are future-directed . Aristotle's thought is manifestly teleological; of the four "reasons" or "causes" (aitia ) for things, the most important reason is the "purpose" or "end" for which that thing was made or done. The Christian world view is fundamentally teleological; all of history is directed towards the completion of history at the end of time.

Sunday, August 22, 2010

The Fundamental Problem

“The fundamental problem of Philosophy is that something is here.”

Tuesday, August 17, 2010

Reading Genesis: The Meaning of Days

The goal of general revelation along with special revelation is to know God, and thus “enjoy Him forever.” He has given us rational minds that are capable of thinking His thoughts after Him, particularly as concerns His creation. Just as the Holy Spirit illuminates our minds as we read His special revelation, so His providence directs the church of Jesus Christ to know the truth of His general revelation. In the knowing, that truth will indeed set us free. Until we know, Christ’s Church must not be divided over what we do not yet know. (Concluding section of the PCA position paper.)

http://cpcnewhaven.org/documents/theology-views_acceptable_in_the_pca.pdf

Monday, August 16, 2010

Teleology 101: The Watchmaker argument

In crossing a heath, suppose I pitched my foot against a stone, and were asked how the stone came to be there; I might possibly answer, that, for anything I knew to the contrary, it had lain there forever:

Watch-Maker 202: Challenges

The old argument of design in nature, as given by Paley, which formerly seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the law of natural selection has been discovered. We can no longer argue that, for instance, the beautiful hinge of a bivalve shell must have been made by an intelligent being, like the hinge of a door by man. There seems to be no more design in the variability of organic beings and in the action of natural selection, than in the course which the wind blows. Everything in nature is the result of fixed laws. (Charles Darwin)

Sunday, August 15, 2010

Teleology in Theology

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

Is teleology compatible with evolution? with science?

Note:  This is something of a load question, as science (and good thinking) suggest there are at least two major ways of thinking about Teleology - as an external, or internal "property."  ((We might also speak of "strong" or "weak" teleology.  Depending on which category we are using when we think, the answer may differ.  As a rule, modern science and Darwinian-evolution reject "external" teleology, but may embrace forms of internal teleology.  The question then becomes, how or in what sense, do "genes" or organsims "seek" or work towards some end (particularly the end of survival or self replication.)


Not compatable (Assumes external teleology)


http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/teleology-biology/




Teleology is taboo in modern science. It’s not hard to see why: purpose implies design, design implies a designer, and a designer is exactly what the predominantly atheistic scientific community does not want to admit. But yet, we use telic language–specifically the language of engineering–to describe concepts in biology all the time. Is it just because we know of no better way to describe systems than by analogy to those that we ourselves have designed? Or is there something deeper to the compelling similarity between “molecular machines” that we discover inside the cell and machines that we use every day?   (Part of a book review of the Design Matrix by author Mike Gene.)

Evolution V Evolution (Two views)



or, Is Evolution (ever) teleological?


Not Compatible:


Only a tad more than one in four teachers really believes in evolution as scientists conceive of it: a naturalistic process undirected by divine beings. Nearly one in two teachers thinks that humans evolved but that God guided the process.


Can we count those 48% of “guided-by-Godders” 0n our side? I agree with P. Z.: the answer is NO. Yes, they do accept that our species changed genetically over time, but they see God as having pulled the strings. That’s not the way evolution works. The graph labels these 48% as believers in intelligent design, and that’s exactly what they are, for they see God as nudging human evolution toward some preconceived goal. We’re designed. These people are creationists: selectivecreationists.


To count them as allies means we make company with those who accept evolution in a superficial sense but reject it in the deepest sense. After all, the big revolution in thought wrought by Darwin was the recognition that the appearance of design—thought for centuries to be proof of God—could stem from purely natural processes. When we cede human evolution to God, then, we abandon that revolution. That’s why I see selective creationists like Kenneth Miller, Karl Giberson and Francis Collins as parting company with modern biological thought.


http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/

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It is also irrelevant whether various religions differentiate between natural and supernatural. Once again, this is the TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT, people. Wake up. The teleological argument demands a diametrical opposition between "designed" and "evolved". The terms are mutually exclusive. Something evolved doesn't have a designer, and is therefore not designed. Something designed has a designer, and is therefore not evolved. Evolution, by definition, does not progress through the arbitrary whims of a designer. Design, by definition, does not occur through the blind forces of evolution.



(From a back page wickipedia discussion on Teleology) --69.209.242.45 04:19, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Another idea that Darwin refuted was that of teleology, which goes back to Aristotle. During Darwin's lifetime, the concept of teleology, or the use of ultimate purpose as a means of explaining natural phenomena, was prevalent. In his Critique of Pure Reason, Kant based his philosophy on Newton's laws. When he tried the same approach in a philosophy of living nature, he was totally unsuccessful. Newtonian laws didn't help him explain biological phenomena. So he invoked Aristotle's final cause in his Critique of Judgement. However, explaining evolution and biological phenomena with the idea of teleology was a total failure.




To make a long story short, Darwin showed very clearly that you don't need Aristotle's teleology because natural selection applied to bio-populations of unique phenomena can explain all the puzzling phenomena for which previously the mysterious process of teleology had been invoked.


The late philosopher, Willard Van Orman Quine, who was for many years probably America's most distinguished philosopher — you know him, he died last year — told me about a year before his death that as far as he was concerned, Darwin's greatest achievement was that he showed that Aristotle's idea of teleology, the so-called fourth cause, does not exist.

EDGE: Is this an example of Occam's Razor?

MAYR: It's that in part as well, but what's crucial is the fact that something that can be carefully analyzed, like natural selection, can give you answers without your having to invoke something you cannot analyze like a teleological force.    http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/mayr/mayr_index.html







"Weak" or Internal Teleology

What's more, the view called teleology has been dropped by biologists: explanations of what something is for don't say that they are there in order to achieve an end result. It is enough that they are the result of selection....
There are two forms of teleological explanation (Lennox 1992). External teleological explanation derives from Plato - a goal is imposed by an agent, a mind, which has intentions and purpose. Internal teleological explanation derives from Aristotle, and is a functional notion. Aristotle divided causes up into four kinds - material (the stuff of which a thing is made), formal (its form or structure), efficient (the powers of the causes to achieve the things they achieve) and final (the purpose or end for which a thing exists). Internal teleology is really a kind of causal explanation in terms of the value of the thing being explained. This sort of teleology doesn't impact on explanations in terms of efficient causes. You can, according to Aristotle, use both.
Evolutionary explanations are most nearly like Aristotle's formal and efficient causes. Any functional explanation begs the further question - what is the reason why that function is important to that organism? - and that begs the even further question - why should that organism exist at all? The answers to these questions depend on the history of the lineage leading to the organism.
External teleology is dead in biology, but there is a further important distinction to be made. Mayr [1982: 47-51] distinguished four kinds of explanations that are sometimes called teleology: telenomic (goal-seeking, Aristotle's final causes, 'for-the-sake-of-which' explanations); teleomatic (lawlike behaviour that is not goal-seeking); adapted systems (which are not goal seeking at all, but exist just because they survived); and cosmic teleology (end-directed systems) [cf O'Grady and Brooks 1988]. Only systems that are actively directed by a goal are truly teleological. Most are just teleomatic, and some (e.g., genetic programs) are teleonomic (internal teleology), because they seek an end.
How the four forms of apparent teleology relate.

Many criticisms of Darwinism rest on a misunderstanding of the nature of teleology. Systems of biology that are end-seeking are thought to be end-directed, something that Darwinism makes no use of in its models. Outside biology - indeed, outside science - you can use external teleology all you like, but it does not work as an explanation of any phenomena other than those that are in fact the outcomes of agents like stock brokers. And even there, teleology is not always useful, for which stock brokers (or cabal of stockbrokers) desired the goal of the 1987 crash, or the 1930 depression? External teleology is useless in science, and any science that attempts to be teleological will shortly become mysticism.

Just a note: In reading back and forth I have seen some evolutionists who want to use the concept of teleology and other who do not.  My thoughts:


While Christianity is fundamentally teleological, not all teleological arguments presuppose (or argue toward) the existence of God.

While I would like to think that Aristotle would have (given exposure) embraced Christian Theism, he certainly did not advocate belief in a personal, knowable God. In fact, he would have seen most design as an INTERNAL attribute of matter, and not imposed from the outside. Call it a life force. Call it pantheism. Today, we call that mindset “vitalism” and it -- (as well as direct external telic activity) are taboo in most of modern Biology. (We do however, find some very grand exceptions. Roman Catholic evolutionary pantheist (?) Pierre Teilhard de Chardin argued for a form of evolution that truly is teleological, internally. (Nature is infused with direction, leading to a goal)



On the other hand, Darwin’s interpretation of Evolution removed the concept of goals. It is pure happenstance that beings such as us exist. Even so, some evolutionists wish to hold on to the concept of teleology. And this is where semantics get edgy.

A person speaking with the lens of teleology will say. A bird has wings that it may fly. (Goal) An atelic philosopher will say, No… because a bird HAS wings, it can fly. (Function.) However, a teleological reading of evolution may say, because a bird has wings, it is able to better function and survive.

In this latter case, wings clearly serve a function. And their particular arrangement fulfills the purpose of survival. (However, survival as such seems --in my mind – a product, but not a goal. We are left with the problem: is design, design if it is not purposed. Or… can an object fulfill a purpose, if that purpose itself is not pursued?

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For an extended treatment of the question:  Is Evolution compatible with a belief in the God of the Bible see:  http://teleotalk.blogspot.com/2010/06/are-evolution-and-belief-in-god.html

Tuesday, August 3, 2010

Saturday, July 31, 2010

When the Knee will not bend.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7972538/Are-we-living-in-a-designer-universe.html






http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11161493


2 September 2010 Last updated at 04:18 ET  Stephen Hawking: God did not create Universe


The Universe can create itself from nothing, says Prof Hawking There is no place for God in theories on the creation of the Universe, Professor Stephen Hawking has said.

He had previously argued belief in a creator was not incompatible with science but in a new book, he concludes the Big Bang was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics.

The Grand Design, part serialised in the Times, says there is no need to invoke God to set the Universe going.

"Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something," he concluded.


In his new book, an extract of which appears in the Times, Britain's most famous physicist sets out to contest Sir Isaac Newton's belief that the universe must have been designed by God as it could not have sprung out of chaos.

Citing the 1992 discovery of a planet orbiting a star other than our Sun, he said: "That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions - the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass - far less remarkable, and far less compelling as evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings."

He adds: "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.
"Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."
The book was co-written by US physicist Leonard Mlodinow and is published on 9 September.

In his 1988 bestseller, A Brief History of Time, Prof Hawking appeared to accept the role of God in the creation of the Universe."If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we should know the mind of God," he said.




A good start of response to Hawking


http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2010/09/stephen-hawking-worships-the-unknown-god/#more-5617

Wednesday, July 21, 2010

What is Intelligent Design?

Simple definition


"The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of livings things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection. (Stephen Myers)